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    in the most recent issue of american window cleaner magazine a letter appears from a john long former iwca president

    this letter has been altered to protect gary mauer

    below is the real letter intended to print

    i have highlighted most of the missing pieces

    Dear Window Cleaner,

    In the American Window Cleaner November/December 2009 issue, Gary Mauer presented an article regarding the IWCA and GANA negotiations.

    My name is John Long and I have been involved in the window cleaning industry for over 40 years, doing numerous construction clean ups and all other aspects of window cleaning. I am a founding member of the IWCA, sat on the IWCA’s board of directors, and had the privilege of being a president of the association. I would like to think that my credentials and experience in window cleaning, including running a company with over 40 employees entitles me to these comments:

    I find Mr. Mauer’s comments, for lack of a better term, ignorant. Window cleaners should wake up and recognize that the only way that we can meaningfully change this situation is to cooperate with other associations and those that affect our industry. Associations who strive to create positive impacts for their industries have no room to burn bridges. Bridges need to be built, relationships need to be forged, and meaningful change needs to take place. The window cleaning industry has the opportunity to partner with GANA to create a far better circumstance for everyone that looks through a piece of glass.

    First issue: The manufacturing process may not allow for the elimination of glass fines even with the cleanest of fabrication facilities and methods. Window cleaners cannot answer this question or will not ever have the opportunity to alter manufacturing. Forging a positive relationship with GANA and others related to the glass industry may assist in change if possible.

    Second issue: We all recognize that on every construction site damage to the glass surface is a common problem. Glass that is not stored properly or not properly protected during the construction phase is of great issue to GANA, window cleaners, general contractors and the end user. Manufacturer’s recommendations are the accepted norm for maintenance procedures in all industries. Throwing darts at the manufacturers will not convince or implement change.

    Third issue: Regarding regular maintenance of glass, many buildings are frequently left vulnerable to glass damage from rain or water run off from the building façade, improperly aimed sprinkler systems, uneducated cleaning procedures, etc. Our industry and possibly the glass manufacturing and installation industry has got do a good enough job of educating the building owner/manager of the importance of protecting the glass surface.

    Fourth issue and possibly of the most benefit to window cleaners: Is there potential by forging a relationship with GANA and the glass industry that meaningful recommendations about the care and maintenance of glass could lead to higher billable dollars for the window cleaning industry? Greater precautions during construction could lead to two or three cleanings throughout the construction phase. Better and more specific manufacturers’ recommendations could lead to increased cleaning cycles throughout the life of the building. My company and its employees are all for increased frequencies.

    Following along with Mr. Mauer’s point of view and those that agree with him will do nothing but tear down walls and make it more difficult for our industry to be looked upon as a profession. Rational minds prefer to look at problems and create solutions and win/win circumstances. The IWCA and its leadership have long strived to create a positive environment for the professional window cleaner by allowing them to learn and thrive. The association’s endeavors in safety and other aspects of the industry are significant. I request all window cleaners to support the IWCA’s effort to create a meaningful relationship with GANA for the reasons previously stated and look beyond the finger pointing, dart throwing and ignorance that has will create NO result.





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    Interesting. Although it does appear that a few references to Gar have been removed they aren't as alarming as a call for more talk w/ GANA. They have already shown themselves to be untrustworthy and useless. The only real way to make any headway on the issue of FD is to get the waiver signed, educate the customer and continue to educate all wcers on the defective product and how they can protect themselves.
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    Tony could you reiterate what the actual problem with talking to gana is?

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    It's a been there done that situation. Every time the IWCA engages in talks w/ GANA they use it as a whipping tool. GANA comes out and says they have the IWCA's backing on their bulletins and spin it to say that a major wcing association is in agreement w/ their version of the FD debate. There are never any benefits to wcers or our customers who are still being lied to by members of GANA about defective glass.
    The IWCA can talk all they want to GANA but it will never result in anything other than playing into their ongoing propaganda. Also since one of the stated main objectives is to get GANA to recommend IWCA members to clean their members windows it could be taken as mainly a recruitment tool for the IWCA.
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    How do you know this to be true?

    Im not arguing with you here.. Im just trying to fully understand the situation.

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    Not sure which part you are asking about but the statements of GANA are in their press releases. The part about hiring a IWCA member is a statement from Paul West when he was trying to justify another chat w/ GANA.
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    sorry i was talking about this part:

    The IWCA can talk all they want to GANA but it will never result in anything other than playing into their ongoing propaganda.

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    I agree with John Long also!
    We have been cleaning windows also for 40 years.
    Over the years we have formed good client relationships--with some, for over 30 years.
    I feel the use of razor blades will soon be banned on all commercial projects for whatever reason. We will need to live with this.
    To find other ways to clean windows only means that we are adapting to the changes.
    To clean with razor blades and damage the glass knowingly is not a good business practice. To ban comments on Gary's site because we don't follow his rules or agree with his narrow viewpoints hurts us all.
    We need to listen to window cleaners who have run large window-cleaninig companies. Open discussion is always better than pointing fingers.
    Better to have the door open than shut it in their face.
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    Chris - Every time the IWCA talks to GANA there is some new spin from them on how wcers are now seeing their stand on FD. It hasn't seemed to help in the past and until GANA reverses their stand on FD it's futile to talk any further to them.

    Phil - FD is a defect and if more wcers stood their ground on using a waiver and making clients aware that the manufacturers and their association are lying to them we wouldn't need to talk to them. They'd be fixing the problem because it would be costing them money. Remember to we are damaging the glass the defect is, I know you think it's the same thing but it's quite a big difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mistersqueegee View Post
    Chris - Every time the IWCA talks to GANA there is some new spin from them on how wcers are now seeing their stand on FD. It hasn't seemed to help in the past and until GANA reverses their stand on FD it's futile to talk any further to them.
    So are we just supposed to wait for GANA to reverse their stance? Wouldn't it be better to engage in talks and try to find some common ground?
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