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    Default Foggy Window Cures

    I would like to get some feedback on something that I'm thinking of doing. I'm wanting to find out if it will be worth the time and money I'll have to invest. I'm also looking for people who can invest towards it.
    I'm sure you've all heard of the Window Medics and Glass Guru franchises. They're the folks who teach you how to drill holes in, and then apply vents to, double paned windows that have lost their integrity and gotten foggy looking. The holes allow air flow so that the moisture can get out and the windows can clear up. They also rinse out the window with vinegar or soapy water, and then rinse with pure water before installing the vents. They say it takes about 15-20 minutes per window and they charge $100-$125 per window. They want tens of thousands of dollars to buy your own territory. The thing is, the only part of their process that is patented is the vents themselves. The process isn't patented.
    What I want to do is to manufacture my own vent design and offer them to anyone who wants to add that service to their business. I already have the design, and it's superior to the vents that these companies use. My vent will allow moisture out, but not back in. Their design allows moisture out and back in. I won't be asking for any kind of fees, I'll just be selling the vents.
    I've found a good plastic mold injection machine that would work to start with that costs $7,500, and I've found a designer who will make the mold for me for $500.
    If any of you would be interested in buying these vents if I made them, please let me know. You can email me at bluefringes@yahoo.com

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    I worked for a glass shop. trust me it's easier and far better to replace the glass instead. windows are filled with argon gas not regular air. by letting regular air in the window you are decreasing it's R value.

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    Hey thats sounds like a good idea. Will there be any instructional videos? or are we supposed to wing it or how is it gona work? and how much are you selling the vents for?
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    I tried to defog my own windows at home, and I am now convinced that these window clearing services are a rip-off.

    Drilling the holes requires a diamond drill bit and patience. However, even after a couple of weeks it didn't change the appearance of the fog, in either the badly fogged or the minimally fogged test window I chose.

    Tried filling windows with vinegar and soaking overnight before draining. Didn't work, so I tried Calcium Lime Rust remover the same way. Didn't work.

    Tried taking glass out and cutting the seal. The minerals inside were rock-hard. Using a razor scraper and CLR, I was able to clear about 10" by 10" of window pane in about half an hour. Mind you, that is on only one of the two panes of the 17" byt 22" double paned window. Quick arithmetic told me that the value of my time was worth much more than the $60 per window I had been quoted to replace the glass.

    I am now enjoying my newly-installed clear windows!

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    I tried to defog my own windows at home, and I am now convinced that these window clearing services are a rip-off.

    Drilling the holes requires a diamond drill bit and patience. However, even after a couple of weeks it didn't change the appearance of the fog, in either the badly fogged or the minimally fogged test window I chose.

    Tried filling windows with vinegar and soaking overnight before draining. Didn't work, so I tried Calcium Lime Rust remover the same way. Didn't work.

    Tried taking glass out and cutting the seal. The minerals inside were rock-hard. Using a razor scraper and CLR, I was able to clear about 10" by 10" of window pane in about half an hour. Mind you, that is on only one of the two panes of the 17" byt 22" double paned window. Quick arithmetic told me that the value of my time was worth much more than the $60 per window I had been quoted to replace the glass.

    I am now enjoying my newly-installed clear windows!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishael View Post
    I would like to get some feedback on something that I'm thinking of doing. I'm wanting to find out if it will be worth the time and money I'll have to invest. I'm also looking for people who can invest towards it.
    I'm sure you've all heard of the Window Medics and Glass Guru franchises. They're the folks who teach you how to drill holes in, and then apply vents to, double paned windows that have lost their integrity and gotten foggy looking. The holes allow air flow so that the moisture can get out and the windows can clear up. They also rinse out the window with vinegar or soapy water, and then rinse with pure water before installing the vents. They say it takes about 15-20 minutes per window and they charge $100-$125 per window. They want tens of thousands of dollars to buy your own territory. The thing is, the only part of their process that is patented is the vents themselves. The process isn't patented.
    What I want to do is to manufacture my own vent design and offer them to anyone who wants to add that service to their business. I already have the design, and it's superior to the vents that these companies use. My vent will allow moisture out, but not back in. Their design allows moisture out and back in. I won't be asking for any kind of fees, I'll just be selling the vents.
    I've found a good plastic mold injection machine that would work to start with that costs $7,500, and I've found a designer who will make the mold for me for $500.
    If any of you would be interested in buying these vents if I made them, please let me know. You can email me at bluefringes@yahoo.com
    I've had an interest in this process for a couple years now. There's another member of the forum here, @dexter445, that was going to do something very similar to your project. I remember the startup costs with manufacturing hung him up a bit. Not sure where he stands with it now. If you made a product that was really marketable, and for a reasonable cost, I'd definitely be interested.

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    Id love to get into this as I see it as a cost effective option that can be performed at the time of the orginial service, but have not heard of anyone being able to tell me that it actually works well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yamaharacer View Post
    I worked for a glass shop. trust me it's easier and far better to replace the glass instead. windows are filled with argon gas not regular air. by letting regular air in the window you are decreasing it's R value.
    By the time the windows have become foggy with moisture all the argon gas has already leaked out over time as the expansion and contraction day after day with a broken seal has traded out the Argon for air. Argon gas does have a better R value, but if the seal is broken and has been for some time, you are already dealing with an argon free window.
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    I'm interested if the system works. I have seen so many windows lately with broken seals. I'm skeptical about cleaning the calcium stains but I would be very interested in checking out what you come up with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BD's Window Cleaning View Post
    I tried to defog my own windows at home, and I am now convinced that these window clearing services are a rip-off.

    Drilling the holes requires a diamond drill bit and patience. However, even after a couple of weeks it didn't change the appearance of the fog, in either the badly fogged or the minimally fogged test window I chose.

    Hello P
    Tried filling windows with vinegar and soaking overnight before draining. Didn't work, so I tried Calcium Lime Rust remover the same way. Didn't work.

    Tried taking glass out and cutting the seal. The minerals inside were rock-hard. Using a razor scraper and CLR, I was able to clear about 10" by 10" of window pane in about half an hour. Mind you, that is on only one of the two panes of the 17" byt 22" double paned window. Quick arithmetic told me that the value of my time was worth much more than the $60 per window I had been quoted to replace the glass.

    I am now enjoying my newly-installed clear windows!
    Hello Peri,

    I have done this type of work before. Not every window is a good candidate to try with this process. I had found that where I live (Sunnyvale Ca) that a window that had been fogging up for two years or more was not a good candidate for defogging. A window with two years or more of wet glass would always have permanent damage that could not be cured. Silica Haze is the most common. This is where the glass has started to degrade from the interior outward towards the wet interior air space of the window. It will not come out. There are also other types of windows that just don't respond well to the process.

    Letting your solution remain inside the window overnight is also not a good idea. It will cause the already blown seal to open up more and could cause the window to break or crack from the increased pressure.

    It's not an easy business and the return rate per phone call was horrible because of the limitations on which windows could be saved. I spent 90% of the time telling people their windows were to far gone and only 10% doing the actual work. My window cleaning and gutter cleaning business has the exact opposite ratio (90% close ratio) so I opted to abandon the "Get The Fog Out Business"
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